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Vicki Flaugher — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:22:44 -0000

I too HEART the wordpress software itself--it was the restrictions to java/flash, reduced commercialized focus (limited affiliate links, no adsense, etc.)and the threat of sudden deletion that moved me away from the free option. I am much happier with the self-hosting (godaddy has a single click install option now too). My next blogs will definitely be self-hosted from the start.

RE: Gurus. I want to listen to leaders who respect their audience. I like marketers who value their time rather than work incessantly to get their results. I enjoy people who share openly and see the world as abundant with enough room for all of us. I like them to have techniques that can be applied effectively and profitably without being shady. I really really adore the ones that don't encourage digital graffitti (SEO crap like selling software that auto writes to people's blog log digitally to place their ads and links there, for example. YUCK.)I totally love the ones that see the internet as a long term busines relationship rather than a wam, bam, hank you mamam proposition. They are out there and if they are't, we become them. The next generation of better approach innovators are sitting right here.

Together, we are stronger.
Vicki Flaugher, the original SmartWoman

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Susanne F — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:11:10 -0000

Lisa: my remote blogs are not authority blogs, I spent 15 minutes per week by posting snippets, I use them to generate traffic to my authority site only.

The black book is great, I also like Jeff Johnson's Getting-Traffic-Technology at [url]http://www.undergroundtrain...[/url]

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rickbutts — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:57:55 -0000

Easiest way on earth to have a full-blown awesome Wordpress blog is to get a cheap $9.95 account at HostGator (my fave personal choice for hosting.

You are in teh big wide world of self-hosted blogging.

I HEART Wordpress - anything you wanna do just type it into Google and grab the open source stuff.

Then get Jack Humphrey's FREE Authority Black Book and get rockin' traffic!

Go on - get ya some!

Rick Butts

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Susanne F — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:48:55 -0000

Ops! Lisa, I believe I just told you how to point...
... sorry my mistake.

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Susanne F — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:41:57 -0000

Hi Lisa,

--> Settings --> Publish --> Custom Domain

and follow instructions from there.

Cheers
Susanne

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Lisa Preston — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:24:29 -0000

(That last comment was for Blogger Guy, sorry about that.)

Susanne F -

I guess that's the risk you run, if your okay with blogs getting deleted. I personally value my time - and can't justify the hours spent creating authority sites/blogs and simply "cross my fingers" hoping that they don't get removed.

It takes the same amount of time to create and update a blog on your own server. And reduce the risk that you lose all the content you add over months and years.

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Lisa Preston — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:13:38 -0000

Really? You can download "blogger", upload it to your own server and host it yourself? If that's the case, you're right - I'm surprised it's not common knowledge.

If you can post it, I'd love to see a link to those instructions.

On the other hand, if you are talking about simply pointing a domain at it...

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Sean — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:50:29 -0000

Market research = bad?

Modeling success = bad?

I'm guessing those are not things you're recommending against.

So I'm going to assume that maybe the point is that people need to compartmentalize this process and develop the ability to remain focused in a sh_tstorm of noise, flashing lights, etc...

This can be solved simply with

1) free email account (gmail + gmail manager in FF works great)

2) scheduled times/dates in which to study these emails sent by the gurus or whoever

3) begin with the end in mind...what exactly are you trying to study while looking at these other emails?

a) trend marketing?

b) best practices of 'gurus' for date/time of sending the email, length of email, type of narration/writing, etc...

c) building a swipe file of decent subjects & pitches.

d) fill in the blank _______ with reason to study what's working...

Interesting post though and definitely an interesting topic.

-S

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Blogger Guy — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:07:44 -0000

Lisa,

I agree that if you don't host your own blog that there's always a risk of losing it. However, what 99% of people I've talked to on this subject don't know for some reason is that you can self-host your own blogger blogs just like you can wordpress blogs.

With wordpress, you can also get it hosted by wordpress itself too.

Just wanted to clarify that. :)

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Susanne F — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:29:09 -0000

I use blogger, wordpress.com etc as external blogs - I link to my main blog from them.

If one of the external blogs get deleted, it doesn't matter.

I get fine traffic from them as well as they have good PRs.

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Lisa Preston — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:14:54 -0000

Blogger Guy -

I agree with Nathan.
Blogger blogs are a useful item when learning to use the tools of the internet, but a self-hosted blog like WordPress is a much better choice.

Control of your site (especially) for a business site is extremely important. If you create a Blogger blog, you run the risk of it being removed or deleted, and you have far less control over the customization and other aspects of the site. Just the fact that your site could disappear on a whim should be enough of a reason NOT to use Blogger.

That's not to say it's not a good tool for learning! You may also manage to place it into a number one position on Google for a time... but there is always the chance that it could disappear without warning. Why take the risk?

If you can build a #1 ranked site on Blogger, then wouldn't it be prudent to simply use WordPress on your own host? This way you maintain your control.

Funny enough, I was compelled to post on my blog about this very thing in response to a tutorial that this same marketer put out not long ago. You can view it here:

http://www.lisapreston.info...

Hope that's helpful!

Cheers -
Lisa

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Blogger Guy — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:28:46 -0000

"Why, Rick Butts himself broke Blogger to the point of SEO uselessness a couple years back!" - Nathan

I just wanted to ask if you honestly think blogger blogs are useless in terms of SEO??? Have you searched Google for ANY search terms??? Blogger blogs still rank very high and are very useful. I've used them myself with great success.

Just look up the term "make money online" (without the quotes), and you'll see a blogger blog as the #1 spot (with another one in the top ten).

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kelly — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:14:39 -0000

Subscribing to every email list - yes - can be confusing. I've learned to open up emails with more convincing useful subjects. The rest don't even get opened. Occasionally I clean-up by unsubscribing those least read.

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Toki Tover — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:52:52 -0000

Well freakin said.

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Angela Wickenberg — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:20:48 -0000

Hi Rick,

It's a double-edged sword; I subscribe to marketers to study their marketing style and sales funnels, but I'm not on that many lists anymore. It's hard enough to follow the marketers that I have purchased products from. And even then, I delete most of emails.

It's good to keep an eye on the competition, but this can be done more effectively today through RSS feeds. Better advice would be to subscribe to blogs in your niche, or if you're interested in other marketers, to subscribe to their RSS feeds. There are many effective ways of handling this today for free, for example Google Reader.

Having so many emails in one's inbox seems kind of old school and is a big time waster, and what do we have that is more valuable than time?

I am uncomfortable when marketers lash out on others; it reinforces the "law of dwindling supplies" and a consciousness of lack. Don't we have more important things to do with our time and energy?

/Angela

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Mari Smith — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:48:14 -0000

Rick, I'm so proud of you man. You're not afraid of sticking your neck out and challenging the self-declared big guys (or, in some cases, short guys. lol).

I really respect everyone's freedom of choice to do whatever the heck they like with their own marketing pursuits... BUT, each and every one of us doing business on the internet *must* do our own due diligence. You simply cannot just emulate Mr. Big Shot on the stage bragging about how many gazillions he's made and, oh, by the way just do as he did and you too can be a squillionaire. Hello? It does NOT work that way. Why? Because everyone has their own *unique* blend of motivations, beliefs, skillsets, attitudes, desires, goals, etc.

Doesn't Ross et al know email marketing is shifting? It's now become humanly *impossible* to stay on top of the avalanche of emails that flood our inboxes daily... and that's even after unsubbing from a ton of lists. (Tim Ferriss recently blogged about email bankruptcy). This is the beauty of social media/web 2.0 - it's a more organic and transparent form of communication, with community building to boot.

And therein lies part of the challenge: many of the big dudes want to stick with the ivory tower hammer-your-list approach and aren't willing to put in the time, effort, heart and availability that the conversation-marketing world often takes.

Of course, email ("dinomail" as a bud of mine calls it) will always be around. But we can be a lot more picky about what comes in and what gets nixed.

Thanks to your now-famous unsubscribe post, Rick, I got off a ton of lists the other week. I just recently left one well-known copywriter's list after a couple years; I like the guy a lot but he suddenly started getting real in-yer-face with his writing style. I've started using the same trusted word-of-mouth recommendation approach that I use for choosing purchases, for example, to choose whose list to be on. It’s all about whose style you resonate with, who you admire/aspire to.

Keep these fab posts coming!! :)

Mari Smith

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Nathan J. Hockley — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:51:51 -0000

Did someone say... IMS?

Internet Marketing Smackdown!

Subscribing to every email list as you said would lead to complete confusion. Subscribing to those who really do 'captivate' you and you truely believe in and truely benefit from is the way to go.

It can be a pretty deep relationship lol, on a one way level and you hope to be come successful and hve the opportunity to make it a two way level relationship. Business relationship people... get the mind out of the gutter! :)

The best part is having the opportunity to meet those marketers that gave you that success, and then telling them that they helped them get their.

If you want the opportunity to say that to a certain marketer... then you know you want to be on that persons list and want to learn from them.

Nathan J. Hockley

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Bryan Reed — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:15:49 -0000

I feel like a late-comer to the party, but thanks, Rick for the great post you wrote almost a month ago about information overload. A lot of people are obviously disposing advice here, and I would like to, instead of using the word "you", use the word "I", and share the problems I've had.

I personally have always struggled with information overload. My first year online was actually just reading content from newsletters from internet marketers. I knew a lot about marketing, but I was so busy learning about marketing that I dind't have time to market (or even start).

Not only that, I even bought products I didn't need, as a direct result of the great copywriting and marketing skills of masters. I read the book SEOBook before I even had a website. I bought Product Launch Formula before I even had a product.

Now, I'm incredibly successful in a variety of niches. So am I still subscribed to these email lists? Absolutely. What is the difference between the time I was paralyzed by reading and information gathering and now? One thing and one thing only: I don't buy any more products and I don't read the emails that are sent to the one address I gave up to the SPAM Gods a long time ago.

In the amount of time it was taking me to read blogs, emails, products, listen to teleconferences, and everything else, I can now start up and profitably run an entire website.

So when do I go to the emails? When I'm taking action, I use them as a reference. Some of those emails were written by million dollar copywriters. I use it as my swipe file, the same way that I use their sales letters as swipe files for my sales letters.

For instance, when I wanted to take one of my retail ecommerce sites and get some HubPages traffic to it, I had no idea where to start (I'd used it for other things before, but its a whole new ballgame with a retail site). So I did a gmail search for HubPages, and voila! There it was... Stompernet. Funny, they created a "free report" on it. I downloaded it, and read the stuff about Hubpages and I was on my merry way. I could have just as easily gone to blogs I trust that are authorities on Web 2.0 and did searches there.

What I have found is that once you have the fundamentals down, the little itty bitty details (which is what most gurus show) can be figured out by going back and searching for them. It saves me time... time that can be better used for me to create a new product for one of my niches.

Just my personal thoughts.

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Bob Jenkins — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:15:30 -0000

I doubt it's a common search term, but you are also on page 3 for ross goldberg at this point.

I appreciate you reading and changing the title at least. Hope you will consider the post slug as well.

Keep up the healthy, and progressively positive debate!

Bob

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JP Micek — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:05:51 -0000

Rick, some of the comments up above really got me fired up. This video comment is the result. ;-)

Following costs nothing and equals little.
Leading costs dearly, but returns exponentially.

Decide if you're Trapped on a Path, or Leading the Pack?
http://snipurl.com/follower

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Tony — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:00:21 -0000

Keep up the good work Rick.

I do not think Ross could be as stupid as he makes out...perhaps this is some sort of "linkbait" ploy
Cheers
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Nathan Anderson — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:19:57 -0000

Yobeeone:

Well, this is coming from 9 years of Internet Marketing experience... When there's a new method for getting easy rankings quickly, and that method "gets out"; it's going to be ineffective in no time. Why, Rick Butts himself broke Blogger to the point of SEO uselessness a couple years back!

A current example would be Michelle MacPhearson's 30 Minute Backlinks.

A number of us SEO-types have been using this method for years with very nice success. Now that she's publicized it, I don't expect it to be effective for long... as too many people will abuse it and get it shut down.

That's the ebb and flow of SEO.

And in my experience, the best information BY FAR comes from behind closed doors. Yes, Eban Pagan has called for the IM world to "move the free line", and guys like Mike Filsaime and the Boys at Stompernet have done just that. But it always comes with a punchline of "...and to get my very BEST stuff, click here and pay $800 a month".

To continue this line of thinking, I'd better post to MY OWN blog, not Rick's! Thanks for the inspiration.

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Deb George — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:52:58 -0000

Well, well, well...

Isn't this just a FABULOUS conversation. I just love it.

Rick - You better work! I don't see anything wrong with what you did. In addition, it didn't seem like a personal attack to me until others started pointing things out. That's when I thought to myself "Ohhh, yeah. He's giving it to him hard."

Then, I read Ken's comment. I just love the way Ken looks at things. I understand where he's coming from. Indeed we should not personally attack. However, I didn't get that from Rick.

In fact, I understand where most of the comments are coming from. And it seems that you do too, Rick.

On the contrary, I like playing devil's advocate and so I will. I see this on forums all the time. If somebody says anything remotely against (or, shall we say, remotely not in agreement with) a well known guru, people come out of the wood in defense of him (99.9% of the time always a him); whether they are wrong or not.

Give me a break with this "he's a nice guy" mantra. Save it for someone that wants to hear it. As i always say, some folks eat McDonald's and some like Burger King. There is no possible way to satisfy the ears of everyone that's listening. There will always be one person who doesn't appreciate and/or like what you've.

With that said: I wish that Rick had talked about me :)

I gave some very similar advice on my blog recently
8 Tips to Not Make Money Online

And the feedback was great, to say the least.

Keep it coming Rick. Be yourself. Speak your mind.